Is Public.com Really Locking In Interest Rates or Just Selling Junk Bonds to New Investors?

Public.com is marketed to new investors as a safe way to invest, but recently they’ve been advertising ‘locking in 7% interest rates.’ The problem is, when you dig into the details, it turns out they’re selling bonds that range from risky to junk, and many of these bonds are already in a position to be called back. For instance, some bonds are being sold at higher prices than their actual worth. Additionally, these bonds have high risk of default and being called back. They’re essentially marking up junk bonds and calling them ‘locked in’ rates, while charging hidden fees that reduce the real returns for investors.

It’s hard to imagine how experienced investors would fall for this, but for those who are new to investing, it’s a shady marketing move.

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Micah said:
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It was the only domain left after www.clownpenis.fart was snatched up by Goldman Sachs

Micah said:
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Lol, most forums have auto mods that block posts with websites in them, but their name is literally public.com

Teo said:

Micah said:
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Lol, most forums have auto mods that block posts with websites in them, but their name is literally public.com

Sooo say ‘public dot com’? Come on, you knew what you were doing!

Teo said:

Micah said:
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Lol, most forums have auto mods that block posts with websites in them, but their name is literally public.com

Only selected website URLs are blocked, so a good faith discussion about an investment product is okay - whether it’s good or bad.

@Sam
Ah okay, thanks.

Teo said:

Micah said:
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Lol, most forums have auto mods that block posts with websites in them, but their name is literally public.com

I thought we used underscores instead of periods.

Micah said:
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That’s what I thought it must be

Yup – this came up a few months ago here… It’s not a terrible product, but the way they market it is misleading.

Not all the bonds in the product are junk. And I don’t think any of them are rated below BBB-.

Still, it’s a good reminder to watch out for sketchy marketing.

@Sam
This is another shady move from a fintech. Discussed here also.

@Sam
I mean, one of the bonds they were selling was in the process of being called back for 101 cents, and they were selling it for 103 cents… which is crazy for any bond deal.

Even though the bond issuer is rated BBB-, many of these bonds have clauses that allow them to be called back, which makes them very risky. I’d say 30% of them are pretty much borderline junk bonds.

It’s not the worst product ever, but they’re definitely misrepresenting it.

@Teo
Yes – the marketing is definitely misleading. Using terms like ‘locked in’ is going to confuse people.

Good investments speak for themselves.

S&P 500

US Total Market

Bad investments market themselves:

Fundrise

Masterworks

Public

FTX

And they’re pushing them in YouTube videos…

For what it’s worth, a high-yield bond allocation can make sense in a portfolio, but using a product like Public’s doesn’t seem like the best way to go about it.

Personally, I have some high-yield bonds in my portfolio, but I prefer a much more diversified set. For example, the Invesco Bulletshare 2029 high-yield bond fund has 384 bonds, and its expected yield to worst (YTW) is 7.17%, which is better than Public’s product.

@Sam
That makes sense. I normally use high-grade corporate bonds and treasuries to protect myself during market crashes, so I can buy stocks at a good value, like during the Covid market drop. High-yield bonds tend to default first in a crisis, so I like to stay safer with corporate bonds and treasuries.

With high-yield bonds, you really can’t lock in a rate because they can usually be called back. Plus, only ten bonds is kind of weak. Something like JNK or USHY is probably a better and cheaper option.

I started investing in junk bond mutual funds (they call them high-yield bond funds) a few years ago, and I’ve had good returns.

But investing in individual junk bonds? Not a chance. I’d leave that to the pros.

@River
They’re fine until there’s a financial crash, then a lot of them default. In that case, you might as well have just been investing in the S&P 500, which would’ve probably given you better returns anyway.

Junk bonds are really only worth it if you have a long, stable market.