October Unemployment at 4.1% - Nonfarm Payrolls Barely Up

  • Unemployment rate held steady at 4.1% as expected.
  • Nonfarm payrolls added only 12,000 jobs, way below the forecast of 105,000.
  • Hurricanes and labor strikes (like Boeing) impacted these numbers significantly.
  • Fed chair Jerome Powell mentioned the central bank isn’t looking for further labor market cooling.
  • This jobs report raises the chances of a Fed rate cut this month—25 basis points is now a 98.8% probability, with a small chance of a 50 bp cut in November.
  • The target range for the federal funds rate could drop to 4.50%-4.75% if this cut happens.
  • This report came out just days before election day, adding weight to the economic outlook.

“Total nonfarm payroll employment was mostly flat in October (+12,000), with unemployment steady at 4.1%,” reported the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Health care and government jobs rose, but temporary services and manufacturing saw drops due to strike activity.

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Two hurricanes in Florida and the Boeing strike will have ripple effects.

Case said:
Two hurricanes in Florida and the Boeing strike will have ripple effects.

Not just Florida—Helene’s impact is still being felt across the Carolinas too.

I can’t wait for the revised numbers.

Andi said:
But how does this affect LeBron’s legacy?

Bronny and LeBron make the highest-scoring father-son duo in the league!

Dru said:

Andi said:
But how does this affect LeBron’s legacy?

Bronny and LeBron make the highest-scoring father-son duo in the league!

Actually, if you’re counting points scored as teammates, the highest duo is Kareem and Magic. Or maybe Kobe and Karl Malone if we’re talking about career points together.

@Tavi
But they’re the highest-scoring father-son duo. That counts, right?

Jaden said:
@Tavi
But they’re the highest-scoring father-son duo. That counts, right?

Gotcha there! :joy:

the state of the economy is highly reflected in the jobs report

This doesn’t add up because payrolls were artificially affected by hurricanes and strikes. Also, over 500,000 workers said they had jobs but couldn’t work due to the storms or the strikes. Once recovery efforts get underway, we should see a bounce-back in construction and manufacturing.

If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

Fin said:

Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

They often report initial job numbers that later get revised. Sometimes it feels like they’re inflated initially, only to be adjusted down when media attention fades.

@Gale
Like 14 out of the last 16 reports have been revised down after the initial hype. And yep, August and September just got quietly revised down too.

Fin said:

Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

Cue conspiracy theories…

San said:

Fin said:
Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

Cue conspiracy theories…

“This monthly data adjustment that always goes in the same direction is totally a conspiracy.”

Pointing it out isn’t the conspiracy, though.

Fin said:

Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

All I’m saying is that the government has often posted strong initial job reports, only to revise them down a month later.

Reddit’s full of threads about this over the past year.

Fin said:

Tan said:
If these are the numbers they want us to see, the revision in 6 weeks could be even worse.

Could you explain?

Don’t waste time arguing. This is either a bot or someone who got influenced by one. Russia meddling in US politics again, maybe?

@Ren
Come on now…

@Ren
If you haven’t noticed the jobs reports getting revised down almost every time, that’s on you.

@Ren
Russian bot? Seriously? :joy: